1 Hole Challenge

What kind of shooting performance is possible when you take a break from live fire training (and all the costs that go with it) and train at home with Dry Fire Training Cards?and Insight’s Deadly Accuracy Home Study Program?
“Ox,” one of the co-creators of Dry Fire Training Cards filmed himself shooting a couple of mags of 9mm out of his Glock 17 after 6+ months of using Dry Fire Training Cards for 10-15 minutes a day.

He shot a few monthly competitions (4?), a few (4?) timed fun shoots, and 2 qualifications, but did no live fire training for the entire 6 months.

The first video is a 17 shot, one hole group from 11 feet in 10.5 seconds.

This 17 shot, 1 hole group can be almost completely covered by a quarter.

Ox REALLY wanted to be under 10 seconds, so he sped up a little bit for the 2nd mag, got his time down to 8.5 seconds, and still kept the rounds in one (slightly bigger) ragged hole.

Again, this is 17 shots, 8.5 seconds, 1 ragged hole from 11 feet with a stock Glock 17 after 6 months of (almost) daily 10-15 minute dry fire only training sessions using Dry Fire Training Cards and using mental and visual hacks from Insight’s Deadly Accuracy training

Notice the acceleration of the cadence as he got in tune with the gun and stopped looking at the target to verify the shots.

Each shot was aimed with individual sight pictures. There were no double taps, point shooting, or controlled pairs. He admittedly mashed the trigger and threw the third shot slightly.

The core foundation that he locked in with Dry Fire Training Cards was the Deadly Accuracy one-hole-group shooting system (TacticalFirearmsTrainingSecrets.com/insight)

This isn’t a claim of being the best, fastest, or most accurate, but it does show what kind of performance in terms of speed and accuracy is possible by using Dry Fire Training Cards in your living room for a few minutes per day.

Will it take 6 months to get these results? Probably not–3-6 weeks is a lot more reasonable. The whole reason we chose 6 months was to highlight the potential of using ONLY dry fire. If he would have added in 1 box of live ammo every month or so, the speed and accuracy would have been even better.

As it is, he did 50-100 repetitions of dry fire most days for 6 months. Let’s say it was 6 days a week for 26 weeks and 50 rounds per day. If ammo was $300 per thousand, that means that it would have taken almost 8,000 rounds and $2,400 + range fees + travel time to get the same amount of practice doing live fire!

That’s the true power of Dry Fire Training Cards…they are the quickest and most affordable way to achieve high levels of speed and accuracy with a pistol.

If you don’t have Dry Fire Training Cards, do yourself a favor and get them now by going >HERE

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  1. Robert wilson
    3 years ago

    It works


  2. Esteban Cafe
    3 years ago

    I pity whatever poor schlub he shoots–dude’s likely to get all 17 rounds…given all his practice.

    I’m curious to see what other enhancements the cards might make in addressing multiple targets. Look forward to more “Ox” shooting.


  3. Ox
    3 years ago

    Esteban,

    I sense a bit of irony, but it’s so hard to judge in type :)

    I was originally going to do 90 shots in 1 hole in 1 minute, but David and I wanted something with a lower bar so that lots of other people could do it. 17 rounds in 10 seconds just happened to be what we decided on because that’s what a Glock full size mag holds.

    The video isn’t an example of what to do in a self-defense scenario, but trying to put a full mag into a small hole in a hurry brings problems to the surface.

    If you’re looking at where your bullets are hitting between shots, you won’t make it.
    If your grip is bad and you’re having to adjust after every shot, you won’t make it.
    If you’re not trusting your sights and following your shots, you won’t make it.
    If you’re mashing the trigger (see shot #3 on video #2) too much, your group will be loose.
    If you’re anticipating recoil, your group will be loose.
    If you’re jerking the trigger, your group will be loose.
    and on and on.

    The 17 shot, one hole group is best seen as a litmus test and, frankly, I’m excited to shoot another video in a month or so after doing a combination of live and dry fire training to show a faster, tighter group and also for other people to see this and take their own video and raise the bar.


  4. phil elliott
    3 years ago

    Did the same thing back in the mid 70’s. Result,12 rds in 15 sec. from a revolver all in the x ring on a B-27 target at 21 ft. 18 more rds.all in the 10 ring on the old PPC course, Strong hand, weak hand and so forth.


    • admin
      3 years ago

      Hey Phil,

      What you didn’t mention is that it was 12 rounds in 15 seconds WITH A REVOLVER RELOAD. Nice shooting.


  5. Shayne
    3 years ago

    Very nice. The smoothness and precision is very impressive and even under pressure of rapid fire the grouping is excellent.


  6. Mad Abe
    3 years ago

    Hi! Great idea! But I live inn Brazil and can not buy your cards. Why nort a “print yourself your cards deck” for outside USA customers like me?


  7. Dr. Mike
    3 years ago

    What distance was this shooting at? It looks less than 5yds


    • admin
      3 years ago

      You’re right…as stated above and below the videos, it’s 11 feet. And this might lead you to ask why we chose 11 feet. Here’s a few reasons why:

      This study is old, but a 10 year study by the Police Policy Studies Counsel showed that 80% of officer slayings (from firearms) between 1991 and 2000 occurred within 6 feet.

      Depending on the study, more recent studies show that 80% of shots fired by officers are within 11 feet. Because of the layout of homes, offices, and other populated areas, it’s pretty straight forward to understand why. It also makes it reasonable to assume that defensive shootings will occur at similar distances. In short, most people spend the majority of their time with 10-20 feet of a wall, which caps the upper end and skews the stats downward. Bad guys also tend to close on their victims before announcing their intentions. In addition, since not all bad guys use standoff weapons (guns), they have to get close to threaten their intended victims.

      So, from a practical perspective, 11 feet is a great distance to practice at. So is 2 feet, 21 feet, 25 yards, and 100 & 200 yards.

      From a math perspective, a one hole group is a situation where radians and degrees are more of what you’re concerned about. A group that can be covered by a quarter (.955 inches) at 11 feet will spread out, but still be under 2″ at 21 feet and just over 6″ at 25 yards. In other words, the exact distance doesn’t matter all that much at the distances where people are most likely to need to use a firearm in self defense. A bad group will be a bad group at 5, 11, or 21 feet and a ragged one hole group will be a ragged one hole group at 5, 11, or 21 feet. This principal is why, again, depending on the study, 85% of rounds fired by officers within 21 feet completely miss their target–the distance just doesn’t matter as much as solid shooting fundamentals.

      Also from a practical perspective, we chose 11 feet because it allowed Ox, his gun, and the target to all be relatively in focus and visible at the same time.


  8. mike robertson
    3 years ago

    What are you referring to as dry firing? I have the concept in my mind of no ammo. how are you accomplishing this? I’m interested in telling my son and daughter about this. My son has a new FNH 45 and my daughter a new Glock G19. Any help would be appreciated.
    Mike


    • admin
      3 years ago

      Hey Mike,

      Great question…I go into it on the description page for the cards at http://dryfiretrainingcards.com/11special but dry fire (dry practice) is the process of going through all of the fundamentals of shooting, except for sending lead downrange. You can practice grip, drawing your gun from your holster and/or concealment, extending to the target, sight alignment, trigger press, follow through, reloads, malfunctions, one handed shooting, manuvering around obstacles, engaging targets while recovering from kinetic impact (falling, breaking your fall, and drawing and engaging while getting back to your feet), low light training, and more, all without using live ammo.


  9. Shane C
    3 years ago

    I actually love this video!!! I already own dry fire cards and the military manuals that came with them. I ordered a dry fire trigger reset mechanism for my Glock 22 and practice everyday. I am not as good as these videos, BUT, I can definitely see improvements in my shooting already after just ONE week!!! I transport HIGH RISK CRIMINALS and cannot afford to not be able to shoot well. Thanks for the amazing products. :)


    • admin
      3 years ago

      Thanks for what you do, Shane. Most guys in your situation can’t afford to not shoot well, but also can’t afford to do live fire training as often as they need to. Their departments don’t have the training time, budgets, and/or ammo and they don’t pay enough for most guys to buy their own ammo unless they’ve got a great side job or a wife with a great job who “gets it.” It sucks, but it’s the reality on the ground and one of the reasons why we released Dry Fire Training Cards. I’m glad to hear how much they’ve helped you!


  10. James Gorman
    3 years ago

    Keep up the information and knowledge flow to Americans interested in learning how to safely defend themselves using firearms.


  11. admin
    3 years ago

    Hi Robin,

    Please read the comments before posting…particularly the reply to Dr. Mike. You’ll see that the distance doesn’t matter.


  12. John Smith
    3 years ago

    sweet!


  13. Frank in NJ
    3 years ago

    Nice shooting! Which specific drills did you do to learn to shoot like that? Do you use a SIRT pistol, or some other kind of laser device in your training?


  14. Ox
    3 years ago

    Hey Frank,

    The drills I used were the ones from Dry Fire Training Cards (http://DryFireTrainingCards.com ). The whole point of the video was to show the power of the drills included with Dry Fire Training Cards during an extended (6 month) “fast” from live fire practice.

    Thanks!


  15. Denver Robeerts
    2 years ago

    At 89 years old I don’t carry a gun so I don’t need to practice. I bought this for my Grand Kids to learn how to protect themselves . I also learned things I didn’t know or didn’t think about. This is a great plan. Thanks for the instructions of how to use our body to over run an enemy and live.
    Also thanks for to extra email with information.
    Denver


  16. Barry Smith
    2 years ago

    maybe, tim, but look into lasergrips, or similar; you’ll probably find its faster, more comprehensive; also the very best realdeal i’ve seen yet is Lahner Tactical Concepts, several youtubes on 1-5meters dedicated firearms training, integrated w/ collapsible baton, sheath-knife, tactlight, pepper; lots of pacific rim island MA foundations, very unique


  17. Nancy Gruenberger
    2 years ago

    I have never owned a firearm, nor do I expect to get one


  18. Guido Knapp
    2 years ago

    Shooting at a still target is easier than shooting at a moving target , There is no mental pressure on you and you need a lot more concentration on a moving target !!!


    • admin
      2 years ago

      There are several “levers” that you can throw to add pressure to shooting still targets.

      Add in a timer, performance metrics, competition, chance of gain, chance of loss, pain, an audience, etc. and you can create mental pressure.


  19. Ruben D Alfaro
    2 years ago

    I will say it was impressive shooting and you would probably do will in IPSC or IDPA but it would not happen in the real world. Now, if you were able to do that pin point shooting under a great deal stress such as if your life was in imminent danger then your only target should be the head and not the torso. From what I understand that type of pin point shooting would not be as effective if the rounds were placed in different areas of the torso. The reason for this is when the hollowpoint bullet enters the body it will expand and stop inside allowing all of its kinetic energy to be dispersed inside the body, like ripples in a pond when you drop a stone in the water, causing damage to the internal organs The second bullet, when discharged, entering the same wound cavity will not cause the same damage. There would be damage but who could say to what extent and that is because the first bullet changed the the density of the body when it created the wound cavity. It could change the direction of the bullet inside the body causing more damage or just past through with no kinetic energy drop to cause more damage. So putting bullets in different areas of the torso will definitely create more damage to the internal organs and be more effective in stopping an attack than putting bullets in the same hole.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Hey Ruben,

      As I said above, “The video isn’t an example of what to do in a self-defense scenario, but trying to put a full mag into a small hole in a hurry brings problems to the surface.”

      This drill is a benchmark and a diagnostic tool.

      To begin with, if you tried this in a self-defense situation and were aiming for the central nervous system, your attacker would be accelerating towards the ground at 9.8m/s^2 after the 1st or 2nd shot.

      If you tried this against an attacker who was rushing you, they would be covering a LOT of ground in 10 seconds. In addition, it would be much more tactically sound to fire 2, 3, or 4 round strings, move laterally, assess, and re-engage if necessary.

      As far as consciously spreading your groups out, that is popular but ineffective advice that falls apart VERY quickly.

      Here’s a few reasons why:

      1. Speed and stress are going to naturally spread your groups, and you don’t want to purposely aim big on top of that. Aim small, miss small. Aim big, miss big. Aim for the upper left thread hole on the shirt button in the center of the attacker’s chest, and you’ll probably hit his body with most of your shots. Purposely throw your aim around and you’re going to (at best) waste bullets by missing or (at worst) hit an innocent person.

      2. If you are fighting someone and they had an injured limb, you would try to hit them where they’re weak/injured as much as possible. Same with shooting…a second round very close to the first one will, more than likely, be hitting tissue that’s already compromised and have a synergistic effect with the first round. If you happen to go through the same hole, then your second round won’t have to penetrate denim, leather, cotton, and skin and will be able to use all of it’s energy doing the threat-stopping work that you need it to do inside the body. If the first round used up most of it’s energy going through clothing, skin, and sternum or rib bone, then the 2nd bullet will have a better chance of getting somewhere where it can stop the threat faster. Furthermore, if the first bullet used up a portion of it’s energy hitting bone, there’s a good chance that the bone deflected the bullet and the 2nd bullet…even if it went through the exact same entry hole at the exact same angle, will end up in a different place. And, finally, if you hit a billiard ball and then hit a 2nd billiard ball in almost the exact same way, but with a teeny, tiny deviation in angle, what happens when the balls hit each other? The answer is that some of the 2nd ball’s energy is transferred to the first and they go off in different angles. Imagine that happening inside the body with 2 bullets that went through the same entry hole.


  20. Timothy Noffsinger
    2 years ago

    I bought it because it looks like a good value and I feel a need for improvement. Can’t afford time or money to visit the local range as much as I would like to. Looking forward to using this and seeing if I can get the results shown. With a new CCW/CHP from my local Sherriff, accuracy is paramount to me. And I can’t visit Southern Nevada soon enough to satisfy my goal.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Good for you, Timothy! Keep in mind that everyone has a different “best” shooting ability due to visual acuity, muscle makeup, nerve makeup, the particular areas of your brain that are more/less developed, etc. The goal with DFTC is to get you shooting as good as YOU possibly can as quickly and inexpensively as possible. Don’t shoot for my level of performance because it’s very likely that you could have the potential to be a MUCH better shooter with the same amount of effort.


  21. AnthonyS
    2 years ago

    I just got my dry fire training cards a few weeks ago. I can’t wait to see my results. I’ve already been practicing dry fire training for about a year and it has really helped, but now I will have many more drills at my disposal which will only make me better.

    I agree with every technical point Esteban makes below about anticipating, reacting to recoil and mashing the trigger. All are simply horrid for accuracy. Anticipating recoil is why I shoot much more accurately with 9mm than 10mm. Maybe a few months of practice will have me shoot 15 rounds of 10mm through one hole. That would be a feat.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      You can absolutely shoot 1 hole groups with a 10mm, but the cadence will be much slower.


  22. Mark Luper
    2 years ago

    Was this practice done with the weapon he used in the film (or one similar) or was it done with one of those SIRT practice pistols (or similar item)?


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      It was actually a combination of dry fire with the Glock 17, practicing with a SIRT, practicing with Airsoft, and running through the drills using mental imagery. A lot depended on the day, where I was in the world, and what I had with me at the time.


  23. Harry Orenstein
    2 years ago

    Deceived Wisdom : 10000-hrs as a target not important – lots and lots of practice is

    To notch up 10,000 hours would require about 90 minutes of practice every day for 20 years. This might explain why the typical child learning the piano will never make it to concert level. Three hours a day gets you to that stage within a decade, so start at the age of ten and you’re done before you’re out of your teens.

    Unfortunately, the moment the 10,000-hour mark is reached is not a skills tipping point – to use another phrase popularised by Gladwell. Learning and gaining experience are gradual processes; skills evolve slowly, with practice. And there is a vast range of time periods over which different individual reach their own peak of proficiency – their concert level, you might say – in whatever fieldScientifically speaking, 10,000 hours is not a precise figure but shorthand for “lots and lots of dedicated practice”. Even 10,000 hours of dedicated practice may not be enough to give you the skills of a virtuoso. But whether you dream of playing at the concert hall, wielding the guitar, or taking part on the running track, 10,000 hours is a good starting point. Double that and you may even be winning international competitions.

    However you look at it, being the best requires a lot of time and effort, and few people are willing to dedicate so much of their lives to a single pursuit. So while practice may get some of us close to perfection, for many of us it is an unattainable goal. That’s no reason not to give it a try, of course. Some day, I might even unplug those headphones once more.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Hey Harry,

      I agree that 10,000 hours is not a concrete number, but I would disagree with your comment about it not being important.

      Some people need a specific and measurable end goal to focus on. Others are content to do something out of passion/obsession and “accidentally” become great. Other people tend one way or the other depending on what the activity is.

      Someone with a still mind at the prime of their life who’s fit, eating clean, and getting enough sleep will reach mastery MUCH faster than someone who doesn’t have all of those things going in their favor. Throw in muscle composition and other genetic factors, and the number of reps/hours required to reach mastery spreads out even more.


  24. Ox
    2 years ago

    Here’s a reply to a question that I got on FB that was good enough that I thought I should put it here too:

    First off, accurate shooting works very well with a threat running at you, which is why some high threat tactical entry teams have adopted this combination of systems for their point men.

    Second, this drill/test is exactly that…a drill/test, like the often used “dot torture drill”, except at a much higher speed. Doing this drill/test QUICKLY forces a shooter to show their neural pathways because there isn’t enough time to think about the fundamentals of shooting between shots. If the groups fall apart, it means that the shooter needs more practice time on trigger to develop responses that they can execute without thinking about the individual steps.

    Third, the nationwide hit percentages for law enforcement is 15%. 15 out of every 100 shots that are fired hit their target…85 miss. Of the departments who have adopted this training, the numbers have almost flipped and are now in the 80-90% range, depending on the department.

    That didn’t really answer your question, because you asked about force on force and I gave you a real life example, but it works with force on force training as well. How good? Good enough that I’m going to be training on this exact system with the owner of one of the biggest force-on-force companies in the world next month.

    In short, the ability to hit what you’re aiming at is important, regardless of the situation. If your groups loosen up under stress, do you want them to loosen up and be 2-3 times as big as the 1″ groups you shoot in training or 2-3 times as big as the 8″ groups you shoot in training? The answer is pretty simple…in one case you end up with an 80-90% hit percentage and in the other case you end up with a 15% hit percentage.


  25. Bob Harrison
    2 years ago

    Some fine controlled marksmanship!


  26. J F Palmer
    2 years ago

    Nice shooting! Before I retired from police work, I was a firearms instructor for a few small towns in Delaware. Back in the late 70’s a competition group was formed to compete in the NRA’s Governor’s Twenty program. The first year I placed 25th! Then with a lot of practice and dry firing, I made my way to the top and was number one for a few years. Dry firing does work! I would have my people dry fire on the range to look for problems they were having.
    I remember when helping another police agency with training, we would shoot 8X10 inch plates at 15 yards, and some of the recruits would miss the plate, and some would think the plate was too small, etc. I would stand behind the 50 yard line and run down the line of plates, one after the other. Fun days! I still the signed competition target from my PPC days of the tied national record, Match 1, 240, 24X. Too bad I shot it at a local match and not a regional or the nationals. Back then it was 12 rounds in 20 seconds from the seven yard line and 12 rounds in twenty seconds from the fifteen yard line.


  27. Gerald Berchtold
    2 years ago

    Yes, I have these and they are great!


  28. Mack
    2 years ago

    This is a lot of practice and without that no one can hit a target, I prefer to shoot at about 25 feet with a pistol, not as fast but my site picture stays within the critical triangle. The last time I was speed shooting. a long rifle, it was a freshly oiled barrel so the first round being a sling’er I had 29 rounds at 100 yards on a sheet of regular note book paper with a time of 41 seconds with open sights and my eye’s are not what they use to be for sure, hard to see the paper these days.


  29. Ronald
    2 years ago

    I have been trying to get target acquisition by bringing sites to target then eyes to sites and then eyes to target then sites. trying to do both not having much success, which way is best so I can just concentrate on one.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Hey Ronald,

      You’ve got an extra step in there. On my drawstroke, I focus on the target and as I’m presenting my gun, I shift my focus to where I know my front sight is going to be (in line with the target) so that when the sight gets there, my eyes are already converged. Then I align the sights, get a hard focus on the front sight (if necessary, depending on the level of precision required) and compress the trigger. Does that answer your question?


  30. Penny Jo
    2 years ago

    OX………….. one more question. Do I have to have a 9mm GLOCK ? I have a 9mm Sig 2022 (DA/SA)
    Also, I had asked before………….. I cannot be hypnotized………… will this work for me ???
    Also, I have your Training Cards. THIS series is much more, correct? (NOT making light of your cards………. love ’em)
    Thanks.
    Want to order, but need these questions answered. Thanks.


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Great question. You don’t need a Glock. You can use any reliable pistol that you’d trust your life to in a self-defense situation.


  31. TJ
    2 years ago

    That takes a lot of commitment good shooting


    • Ox
      2 years ago

      Thanks, TJ…but it doesn’t take near as much commitment as you might think IF you use the right tools. The combination of the Insight program to get the right programming in the head and start shooting 1 hole groups and a few minutes of Dry Fire Training Cards a night to turn the motor skills into conditioned responses and you can start pouring on the speed.


  32. Mike
    1 year ago

    How does this system work? I know dry firing is used with an empty chamber, but yet in the video I see cartridges being ejected. Courious


    • Ox
      1 year ago

      Good question, Mike. That was a demonstration of how the skills/muscle memory/neural pathways that you develop using dry fire work when you switch over to live fire.


  33. Mike
    1 year ago

    How does this system work? I know that dry firing is done with an empty chamber, but on the video I saw cartridges being ejected. Curious


    • Ox
      1 year ago

      That is a demonstration of how well the muscle memory/neural pathways convert from dry fire practice to live fire. The video was not practice or training…it was a test, and it was done after 6 months without any live fire practice.


  34. Eric
    1 year ago

    So when you are practicing with the cards, do you just through one card a day? Do you do two? What is the recommended time spent per day?


    • Ox
      1 year ago

      Hey Eric,

      I suggest that people do as many minutes per day as they can without having to compromise their form. For some people, that’s 3-5 minutes. For others, it’s 15-20 minutes. For others still, it’s 3-5 minutes, a few times per day. I do several drills per day…some drills, I only do for 30-60 seconds, like the pistol squat. Others, I’ll do for much longer. Again, it’s important to only do as many reps as you can while still keeping good form.

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